The issue of the IDP's will bedevil Kenya for a long time unless we
come up with a clear cut solution. Since we have IDPS all the way from
the MAUMAU days, I am of the opinion that Government does an audit and
makes sure that all Kenyans who want to own land for commercial
purposes are given a piece. I am sure the numbers of the IDPs are
negligible in the face of the Government. The Problem is when the
Government starts to use the issue for political gain. If this drags
on with the old way of politic, it is going to be very costly for
Kenya.
The government can no longer continue to profiteer politically with
the livelihoods of Kenyans. We now need to find a permanent solution
and make sure that this people are resettled once for all so that
Kenya can start to focus on other important issues such as Economic
and Structural Development.
And why are some of the IDPs refusing to go to some of the land that
has already been purchased for them? Where exactly do they want to be
ressetled? Can we as Kenyans embrace each other and accept that Kenya
is for all of us? When shall we begin to look at each other as the
keepers of each other peace and tranquility?
Sad news is that the current leadership can no longer manage this kind
of discourse. We need a fresh breed of Kenyans to rise up to the
echelons of leadership. Only then, when we start to re-look and rework
our old structures and rework them, shall we resolve the problems that
undermine peace, democracy and development in Kenya.
Will the current challenges that Kenya faces today be resolved by a
Benevolent Dictator? May be. I wonder loudly.
Emmanuel Dennis
On Apr 23, 2:48 pm, Njoroge Waithera <njorogep2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Bwana Oketch,
>
> I do not pretend to have the answers to your many questions but I know one thing; and that is that not all who were displaced had title to the land they occupied in the places from which they were displaced during the PEV. There are those who leased land and earned livelihoods for decades that way; others simply squatted on adjudicatted public or private places and provided labour in the farms or simply depended on symbiotic relationships they had with their hosts but all these came to naught at the disolution of that relationship courtesy of the PEV. Therefore having been born and bred under those circumstances, they did not know anybody or anywhere else outside their regions and thus knew not where to go.
>
> You ask where they came from, I do not know but certainly not Rwanda, Uganda or such other neighbouring principality. I do not wish to address the inference I make from this question but if I may, allow me to refer you to the archives to familiarize yourself with the fate of many a Mau Mau freedom fighter at independene when they returned from the cold slopes of Mt. Kenya and Aberdare Ranges from where they waged a seven-yr long struggle against the British colonialists to find their ancestral land occupied by homeguards...hitherto British collaborators. Since the government did not mind them at independence, they were left to wander to every corner of the Republic they had sacrificed so much to liberate. That is where most came from.
>
> I agree however, that the government should work at ensuring that peace prevails so that some - those who still hahve title to land - can be restored to their homes and duely compensated to start lives afresh. We must all strive to approach the re/settlement soberly lest we sow seeds of irrepparable discord among Kenyans who if I must state, have a right to live in every part of our Republic to start living the New Constitution.
>
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> From: odhiambo okecth <komarockswa...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Saturday, 23 April 2011, 12:04
> Subject: Re: [NYSA:6261] Where did these IDPs come from?
>
> Friends,
>
> >>>We have followed the circus of the Internally Displaced
>
> Persons with utmost keenness since we believe in One Kenya Under One God.
>
> >>>However, we are now forced to come out with our thinking on the same.
>
> >>>The
>
> term 'Internally Displaced Person' means you have been displaced from somewhere. If we have genuine peace amongst us, the Government should not be playing with our psychology about buying land for these people who have never been displaced from anywhere.
>
> >>>Those Kenyans who were
>
> Internally Displaced should go back to where they were displaced from. What the Government should be concerned about is how to start them up again, build for them new houses and encourage dialogue and reconciliation.
>
> >>>But when the Government seems too pre-occupied with the idea of
>
> buying land for these Kenyans., we are left to ask; Where were they displaced from and what became of their land? Or, was the land Displaced as well?
>
> >>>Secondly, it is a very sad scenario that Kenyans butchered each other and had some Displaced. This affected a cross section of Kenyans. How come what we are seeing now does not represent the face of Kenya?
>
> >>>Do we have some breed of Kenyans who must be transplanted across the country for expediency reasons?
>
> >>>If we want genuine peace, it must be our responsibility to accommodate each other as brethren. But when the Government attempts to transplant some Kenyans in Narok and fail, they attempt to do the same in Endebess and they fail again, it calls for quick audit.
>
> >>>Who are these Kenyans the Government is toying with all the times and where did they come from? Where did the Government get these people from?
>
> >>>The Government must stop this circus and face reality. Kenyans are
>
> watching this saga with very keen interest as we wish all Kenyans well.
>
>
>
> >>>If it is to be, it is up to me. A Clean Kenya Starts With me. A Peaceful Kenya is my Responsibility.
>
> >>>Peace and blessings,
>
> >>>Odhiambo T Oketch
> >>>CEO KCDN NairobiNationwide Coordinator - Monthly Nationwide Clean-up Campaign
> >>>PO Box 47890-00100,
> >>>Nairobi Kenya.
> >>>Tel; 0724 365 557 0735 529 126
> >>>Email; o...@kcdnkenya.org, komarockswa...@yahoo.com
> >>>http://kcdnkomarockswatch.blogspot.com
> >>>friendsofk...@yahoogroups.com
> >>>Facebook; Odhiambo T Oketch
>
> >>>Odhiambo T Oketch is the current
>
> Chairman to the City Council of Nairobi Stakeholders Evaluation Team on Performance Contracting and Rapid Results Management. He is also Chair to the Nyamonye Catholic Church Development Fund.He was also the Co-Chair and Coordinator of The Great Nairobi Walk against Corruption that was held in Nairobi on the 22nd October 2010
>
> >>>--- On Sat, 4/23/11, Paul Nyandoto <paul.nyand...@phsotey.fi> wrote:
>
> >>>>From: Paul Nyandoto <paul.nyand...@phsotey.fi>
> >>>>Subject: [PK] There are NO IDPs in Kenya anymore/To Karanja
> >>>>To: progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com, ka_g...@hotmail.com
> >>>>Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 5:02 AM
>
> >>>>Karanja,
>
> >>>>Nobody is against the IDPs except this government lead by Kibaki and orchestered by Uhuru Kenyatta and now Ruto. These people now called IDPs had a life before 2007 PEV and each and every one still alive can elaborate how he/she made life before 2007. It is now going almost 5 years why can`t their so leader collect information and give the government how they used to survive before 2007. If somebody burnt their kiosk or shop let them show where those properties were
>
> located, we need to live in peace do you get it?. After all for kenya to move on we need re-concilliation. I do not think that re-concilliation means going to a new land and start right away a new war zone. We are tired with wars and fighting. If this government is providing land to the landless then it should start with Kenyans who have been landless since independence. Kenyattas does not deserve a land the same size as nyanza
> province and you
> still have the guts to tell us that we should not offer solutions. Curing symptoms and leaving the cause of the disease will not help anything, starting another war front with different tribes will also not help in the long run. If counties are created then those IDPs now matching to Kitale will see hell again, may be even more than the one they saw in rift valley. I think only fools do not get it now. By the way do you know how much Diaspora sent home to help in the PEV. If you do not know then just shut up.
>
> >>>>Paul Nyandoto
>
> >>>>>>> karanja goro 04/23/11 12:20 AM >>>
> >>>>IDP are still there. why do we in this forum think IDP are only those who owned land. most of us in this fora ve little use for land. its the same for some IDP's who were experts in different fields other than farming. the IDP's issue is more than an intellectual discource which we seem to be expounding here. its sad most of those offering their views
>
> are not even here- in kenya- Can we stop offering solutions to kenyans who are on the ground from our ivory towers.
>
> >>>>Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 04:14:46 -0700
> >>>>From: ikirimakagwi...@yahoo.com
> >>>>Subject: Re: [PK] There are NO IDPs in Kenya anymore
> >>>>To: progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com
> >>>>CC: manderae...@gmail.com; paul.nyand...@phsotey.fi
>
> >>>>Paul
> >>>>What i am seeing today is a case similar to a mentally sick person who smiles when thing are bad and cries when things are good. Can we trust Kenyas for what they say anymore? If somebody
>
> kills your child and i see you eating together, unless am mentally retarded not to smell a rat. The two guys are, one organized for killing a certain tribe and the other defended his people by organizing more killings. Today both are very good friends, yet no going back of the IDPs from where they came from. If this is true unity, it should also benefit the IDPs. As these guys are cerebrating, no IDP is talking and this is even more shocking. I would be expecting IDPs to react at this time but they are silent. I hope you are also smelling a rat here. There is so much the two and those IDPs know that we
>
> >>>>don't know. No wonder Murugi can threaten to strip naked if the ocampos never returned from Hague, yet she cannot do the same if IDPs are not resettled. Is it because Ruto excited her by saying he was a man and those men in IDPs are women? Think twice about the IDP and ocampo6 relationship.
>
> >>>>Rose
>
> >>>>From: Paul Nyandoto
> >>>>To: manderae...@gmail.com; progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com
> >>>>Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 1:27:00 PM
> >>>>Subject: [PK] There are NO IDPs in Kenya anymore
>
> >>>>Humans,
>
> >>>>Just start by calling me names because of the topic I have placed up there, but sometimes somebody has to call a spade a spade NOT a big spoon. Post election violence was at the end of 2007 and the early months of 2008. We are now in 2011 and next year we are facing both presidential and parliamentarian election. That is almost 5 solid years since 2007 election.
>
> >>>>How comes it we still have kenyans plus government
>
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